i hated ministry book bags.i hated coming out of my home with the book bags looking like i was going to a seminar.so,i starting going to the ministry school and sunday bible meetings holding only the required books for that day in my hand.. for the sunday meetings,i would just carry the song book,bible and watchtower magazine in my hand.
no book bag!
for the ministry school,i would just carry just what necessary for the evening.
I've made up my mind that if I ever were to start growing a beard and an elder were to ask me:
"Uh, what's that on your face? Is that dirt?"
My response would be:
"No. It's called beard - you know, that thing that Jesus and all the faithful Jewish prophets had but which the pagan Egyptians refused to have. . ."
so.. some asshole visits another asshole but a mob erupts and wants to rape the visiting asshole.. the host asshole offers his daughter and the visiting asshole's concubine to appease the mob.. sure enough.. the concubine ends up gang raped and murdered.
in the morning the visiting asshole loads her up on his donkey, takes her home, dismembers her body into 12 pieces and sends it to all the tribes to incite war.. so an army of 22,000 is formed, some prick goes and asks jehovah if they should go and destroy the gang raping mob.. and jehovah says 'yes.. do it.
they go to fight and loose all 22,000 die.
Is it just me, or does that bible account seem eerily similar to the account of the men surrounding Lot's house wanting to rape the angels? It has been said by one bible expert that this story is actually a bit of false propaganda designed to paint the people in that area as being as vile as the Sodomites, thus the story was deliberately written to mimic the account with Lot.
It has also been said that the story of Lot's daughters drunking him and raping him is also a bit of propaganda designed to tarnish the image of the Moabites and the Ammonites - the nations supposedly born out of the incestuous relations mentioned in the account. This seems to make sense as such an account provides no real spiritual benefit at all. I can think of no reason why such sordid details of how the Moabites and Ammonites came into being is of any spiritual benefit. It only makes sense to share such info if the motive is the tarnish the image of those nations.
so.. some asshole visits another asshole but a mob erupts and wants to rape the visiting asshole.. the host asshole offers his daughter and the visiting asshole's concubine to appease the mob.. sure enough.. the concubine ends up gang raped and murdered.
in the morning the visiting asshole loads her up on his donkey, takes her home, dismembers her body into 12 pieces and sends it to all the tribes to incite war.. so an army of 22,000 is formed, some prick goes and asks jehovah if they should go and destroy the gang raping mob.. and jehovah says 'yes.. do it.
they go to fight and loose all 22,000 die.
"Another comment was.. homosexuality is so bad that the host asshole would give up his daughter rather than having some dude get raped"
Holy shit! Did we attend the same congregation? Are you in the Caribbean by any chance?
who are the real heroes of society?.
are they not the people who are doctors and nurses and teachers and firemen and policemen and counselors and humanitarians?.
because of the watchtower organization, we are missing generations of those kinds of heroes who will not exist (but could have) because jehovah's witnesses destroyed them by convincing millions of it's members those professions are meaningless and unimportant for them to pursue.
Isn't that a fulfillment of bible prophecy? LOL.
". . .The resources of the nations YOU people will eat. . ." - Isaiah 61:6
“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in. . ." - Haggai 2:7
well, this is a new development.
she broached the subject of ttatt tonight.
said i was right about the flood.
It seems like she's waking up but is still battling with the cult phobia of apostate information. And as another poster mentioned she might relapse into cult-mode. I don't know if you've already tried this but I think it might be helpful:
Why not watch a movie about someone who is in the grip of a cult or some other psychologically manipulative authority that uses fear of the opposition to keep the person ignorant of the truth and in continued mental enslavement to the cult or authority.
Without bringing up the subject of Watchtower, get her to see Watchtower's tactic of using anti-apostate propaganda, mirrored in some other religious cult. Planet of the apes is an example of a movie that has a parallel. The ape rulers enforced a forbidden zone where all the apes were forbidden from going because they ape rulers didn't want the apes finding relics of past human civilization which would have proved that humans, contrary to what the ape rulers were saying, were intelligent beings. This mirrors Watchtower's policy of creating a forbidden zone - apostate sites - to prevent current JWs from finding out the untruths and misdeeds of the organization that led former members to leave.
So once you get her to see other manipulative authorities in movies, using censorship and fear of dissidents to control information and maintain control of those they have mentally enslaved, that should help her to think that Watchtower has perhaps done the same to her by having her afraid of visiting apostate sites.
a friend of mine who is planing his fade, has just been made talk coordinator.
so he calls me and ask 'do i want to give a talk at his hall?
' he knows my situation and lurks on this board himself.
Here's an idea for you to consider:
Let us help you develop the talk!
Give us the theme and the outline and let us give you ideas on how you can use the material to covertly share TTATT or cause cognitive dissonance that can help to wake up some dubs.
You have been given a wonderful opportunity to help wake up dubs in a subtle way. Use it!
LOL. I just realized I have been reading a thread that's years old!
i'm new here but not new to researching and questioning the jw beliefs.
i have quite a story.... one that's been haunting me for awhile... but first, i'd like to hear what people have to say about this topic question, please.. -gigi.
The truth is, no one has the whole truth.
The truth is, we may never know the whole truth.
The truth is, we don't have to know the whole truth.
The truth is, the universe does not owe you the truth.
The truth is, we are alive and can enjoy life without knowing the whole truth.
The truth is, those who claim to have the truth are often very narcissistic and manipulative.
The truth is, this idea that you have to know the truth, is nothing but a manufactured need, manufactured by charlatans and manipulators.
The truth is, this idea that you have to know the truth, is exactly the kind of lure that charlatans use to entrap you in their religious cults.
its a long time since i posted here.
time is hard to get to do the things you would like.
some of you may be wondering if the watchtower are still placing demonic images in their publications here is a link judge for yourselves.
i have a story to share about my calls to wt ny hq this past week.
i was quite surprised by the level of disinterest and lack of concern from the two contacts that i spoke to.
rather than jumping right in and sharing my experience - and perhaps "poisoning the well," i'd like to read experiences of others on this forum who had the urge or need to call the wt contact number.. btw - mine was not an apostate rant or overly critical of the wt and was presented in a friendly and helpful way.
i remember some years ago when barbara did an expose of the child abuse issue on one of the networks, watchtower used the elders to inform the congregations not to view the program that was to be aired.
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after this recent expose on npr, has there been any official watchtower release read as an announcement at the kingdom hall?.
"The good things is that the broadcast has been picked up by other newspapers as well. Unfortunately only in the US, not in Europe."
You X-JWs in the US, please do not underestimate the reach of the US media. In my country - and I'm sure in many English-speaking third world countries - much of the programming on television comes from the US - the majority of the programming in many cases! Cable-TV is also widely available in many such countries and it is not just the upper and middle class homes that have cable. PBS is one of the cable channels available in my country in the Caribbean where many relatively poor people (by US standards) have cable in their homes! Here in my country we are very, very familiar with American culture because it's practically all we are exposed to on television! So do not think for a minute that many people outside the US haven't seen that PBS program. Futhermore, I will venture to say that JWs fall into the kind of demographic that is most likely to look at PBS! JWs typically complain about there not being good programs on TV except for violence and sexual immorality. They are most likely to look at documentaries and news programs - channels like PBS.
